tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post2124841409062318487..comments2024-03-25T02:16:16.247-07:00Comments on Christ the Tao: "Jesus is the Answer" -- even on the SAT.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-61259121829089708562015-09-24T07:53:12.471-07:002015-09-24T07:53:12.471-07:00Hello, David.
Thank you for taking the time to re...Hello, David.<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments.<br /><br />There are a couple of problems that I am having that you may be able to help with. I read post 1 and 3 of your series on the liberation of women by Jesus so that is where my comments started. The main problem I am having is that there is a great deal of vague terms being tossed around.<br /><br /><b>I don't define liberation as "getting the right to vote." </b><br /><br />What do you mean by 'liberation'? I didn't see any definition listed so it is difficult to tell what is or isn't a good example of women being liberated outside of the examples you presented. When you discuss a woman who is liberated what would her status be in that society with family and the society around her once she is liberated? What was life like for women before Christianity came into the countries in question? You discuss foot-binding, for example, but is that it? Did they also achieve liberation in other areas of life, also?<br /><br />Exactly what did Christians do to help achieve this liberation? Your premise, at least in the title is that Jesus helped women achieve this liberation. How, specifically, did Jesus do this? Are women there now truly liberated? Part 3 discusses the status of women around the world and you point out that women in Europe enjoy an overall better status than those in non-christian third world countries. The right to vote was one of several events that helped women achieve their liberation in European and American society.<br /><br />You also talk in vague numbers - billions of women throughout history, billions of women now - but you haven't supplied any specific numbers. China has 1.3 billion people according to the CIA World Fact book of which about half (or 500 million) are women. Where do you get your figures from? What sources did you use to determine that billions of women (how many billions) have been liberated from having their feet smashed? According to <a href="" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>, which cites their sources, gives a different account, namely: <b>The Manchu Kangxi Emperor tried to ban foot binding in 1664 but failed. In the later part of the 19th century, Chinese reformers challenged the practice but it was not until the early 20th century that foot binding began to die out as a result of anti-foot binding campaigns. Foot-binding resulted in lifelong disabilities for most of its subjects, and a few elderly Chinese women still survive today with disabilities related to their bound feet.</b> Not Jesus or even Christian missionaries are being given credit here.<br /><br />I look forward to your response.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11780532750727491262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-92018976467166096742015-09-24T01:02:32.244-07:002015-09-24T01:02:32.244-07:00Patrick: Hi again. I think you overlooked a few p...Patrick: Hi again. I think you overlooked a few posts, or something. One of the first, a long one, is mostly historical. And others are about the Gospels and NT. And I start in the First Century. <br /><br />I don't define liberation as "getting the right to vote." I really think you missed a lot. For instance, billions of women in China have been liberated from having their feet smashed at the age of 6, so they won't waddle off. Millions in India have been liberated from being burnt at the stake. Billions around the world have been given an education, healed, and so forth. Voting is the froth on the cream on the top layer of the capucino. And while industrialization was no doubt part of it, the beginnings of the liberation actually preceded the industrialization here in China, and was fomented by missionaries. Meanwhile, in rich Saudi Arabia . . .David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-24349805669130669142015-09-23T10:03:30.630-07:002015-09-23T10:03:30.630-07:00Perhaps you mention it elsewhere but your argument...Perhaps you mention it elsewhere but your argument for Jesus liberating women in Europe does not take into consideration other reasons besides Jesus. One reason is that in the 1700's and 1800's the industrial age swept into European culture and economy. As a result more people were moving to the large cities for work and a better future, thus more and more people including women were becoming literate and more educated than in prior centuries. Once many of them became educated it was only a matter of time before they were able to liberate themselves.<br /><br />Thank you for your time and consideration.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11780532750727491262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-45515664034425380222015-09-23T09:32:51.087-07:002015-09-23T09:32:51.087-07:00Hello, David. It is always good to hear from you....Hello, David. It is always good to hear from you. I did start to read your series on how Jesus liberated women. It seems to only discuss the status of women now. In 1893 New Zealand, for example, was one of the first, if not the first, European country (settled by Europeans) to give women the right to vote. If we look at the period of 1893 to 2015 as hours on a 24-hour clock this means that women started receiving the right to vote at around 11PM. What happened to all that time from 00:00 (midnight) to 11 PM? If Jesus liberated women then why did he wait until 11PM to do it?Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11780532750727491262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-23949389147885514592015-09-23T05:50:11.692-07:002015-09-23T05:50:11.692-07:00Look around the site. There's tons of evidenc...Look around the site. There's tons of evidence right here. Read the How Jesus Liberates Women series, the Abolition of Slavery articles, the bibliography of 123 books on How Jesus Liberates the World. <br /><br />Someone (was it you?) foolishly claimed recently that I don't offer much or any evidence to support my claim on "How Jesus Liberates Women." Nonsense. I go through UN data on the status of women in 99 countries around the world, constituting 97% of the world's population, which has been sorted into some twenty categories for each country. I deal with a feminist Muslim interpretation of the same data. I discuss, and mostly cite, every single relevant verse in the Gospels. I go through every relevant verse in the Koran, the Rammayana, and much in the Rig Veda. (More to follow.) I describe movements that have influenced billions of women, started by hard-core believers in prayer and seeking God's will.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-58335048866939972092015-09-23T05:35:49.221-07:002015-09-23T05:35:49.221-07:00Patrick, something else, maybe.... it is not what ...Patrick, something else, maybe.... it is not what Jesus said or did not say about women's rights, it is how He actually treated women that is important. His teaching was meant to supplement a way of living that He demonstrated daily. And I would not go as far as saying that He spoke in favour of slavery; rather He painted pictures of the way things were (and are) in order to teach (e.g."Truly truly I say to you, whoever does sin is a slave to sin"). In addition, the slavery laws of the Law (Torah) was well-known, including the one that stealing people (kidnapping in order to sell into slavery) was punishable by death and that you were not allowed to return a slave to the former owner if the slave had run away.Chavouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02548629951249411219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-18529085264089167492015-09-21T17:24:18.333-07:002015-09-21T17:24:18.333-07:00Patrick, I can't speak for David Marshall but ...Patrick, I can't speak for David Marshall but http://www.cbeinternational.org/ might be able to help you, the contributors there argue Christ's teachings were a force for social progress and equality in his lifetime, and utterly subversive in the eyes of Roman and traditional Jewish authorities of the era.Talonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05200852355967804488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-61984309315993948382015-09-19T16:49:08.142-07:002015-09-19T16:49:08.142-07:00I have read numerous times how Jesus was great for...I have read numerous times how Jesus was great for people and in regards to social reforms but he told Jews to obey the Roman authorities, he never talked about how women were equal to men or about women's rights, and he spoke in favor of slavery. Can you describe why you think that Jesus was a great social reformer?Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11780532750727491262noreply@blogger.com