tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post7601460556153058349..comments2024-03-25T02:16:16.247-07:00Comments on Christ the Tao: Speaking of Hell -- is it hot in here? Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-88159667005314309822015-12-14T13:34:46.236-08:002015-12-14T13:34:46.236-08:00WOE: Do you have anything to say? Otherwise I'...WOE: Do you have anything to say? Otherwise I'll delete your link. David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-12803241960961975462015-12-14T13:27:19.962-08:002015-12-14T13:27:19.962-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14479224236264150172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-31129591005381897922015-11-18T19:47:11.639-08:002015-11-18T19:47:11.639-08:00I didn't check the link to "the snake,&qu...I didn't check the link to "the snake," but was just going from the list given by Ben in your original post...JWDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12554888778862339284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-18800858707766512015-11-18T19:45:03.524-08:002015-11-18T19:45:03.524-08:00Skeptic who would fail the old analogy section of ...Skeptic who would fail the old analogy section of the SAT: "Appealing to C.S. Lewis, a scholar who studied creative literature from Homer through Spenser and himself wrote creative, metaphorical literature, is worthless!"<br /><br />Okay.JWDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12554888778862339284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-48458426606920124392015-11-18T19:42:14.104-08:002015-11-18T19:42:14.104-08:00Joshua: I get your Lincoln at Gettysburg joke. Go...Joshua: I get your Lincoln at Gettysburg joke. Good one. <br /><br />Thanks for checking the references more carefully. Yeah, it seems The Snake is a little lacking in exegetical caution, or perhaps scruples. David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-81823527497708264832015-11-18T19:36:39.400-08:002015-11-18T19:36:39.400-08:00Matt. 3:10-12 is most likely about the temporal ju...Matt. 3:10-12 is most likely about the temporal judgment on Jerusalem.<br />Matt. 4:17 says nothing about Hell or fire.<br />Matt. 5:13 says nothing about Hell or fire.<br />Matt. 5:20 says nothing about Hell or fire.<br />Matt. 5:21-22 makes the point that one should not murder, hate, or call names. Clearly a monstrous moral teaching.<br />Matt. 5:29-30 specifically talks about entering "Gehenna." Check a commentary: this was the name of the valley outside Jerusalem where waste was burned. Since Jesus didn't mean his audience was going to go into that particular valley, this is clearly metaphorical.<br />Matt. 7:13-14 says nothing about Hell or fire. It does say that destructive behavior is often easier than virtue, which is clearly moral lunacy, because everyone knows it's easy to be good.<br />Matt. 7:17-19 is using a simile of a tree, so the fire is just as non-literal as the wood. Tree:person::fire:fire is not how analogies work.<br />Matt. 8:12 focuses on simply lack of participation in the feast. Also, in context it is actually about inclusivism and not being racist or ethnocentric. Clearly moral lunacy.<br />Matt. 10:14-15 simply talks about the day of judgment. Clearly, condemning those who have done wicked deeds to some kind of punishment is moral lunacy, as evidenced by the fact that all moral people want to abolish judges, courtrooms, legal penalties, etc.<br />Matt. 10:28 again refers to "Gehenna." See above.<br />Matt. 11:20-24 again refers to a day of judgment. Sound moral thinking rejects such a thing. Also, the focus is on cities, not individuals. Cities don't go to Hell, they are destroyed, often by invading forces. Like, say, the Romans...<br />Matt. 13:38-42 is interpreting Matt. 13:30, so listing them separately is just quote padding. And v. 42 says that those who break the law will be punished--moral lunacy!--by being thrown into an oven. Not metaphorical at all.<br />Matt. 18:6-9 mentions Gehenna again, and also instructs people to cut off parts of their body. No hyperbole here!<br />Matt. 18:34-35 doesn't actually say "to be tortured." He is handed over to the basanistais: this may be "torturers," or "investigators." But the point is the revocation of the master's favor. Oh,yeah, and the servant had tried to strangle his fellow servant over a tiny debt, so punishing him would be immoral.<br />Matt. 22:13-14...okay, this is getting tiresome. Wedding:heaven::being bound and thrown out of the house:______. Or does he think that Hell involves actual ropes? <br /><br />Okay, that's enough. Listing quotes without taking any time to read with cultural or literary attention is really not much of an argument.<br /> <br />By the way, Lincoln actually thought that his male birth parent and the male birth parents of his audience had, 87 years years earlier, actually impregnated North America. Clearly, he was insane, since land can't get pregnant by a human male, and if his father had been, say, 16 eighty-seven years earlier, he would have been like 80 when Lincoln was born, which history tells us isn't the case. <br /><br />And the guys who died? Just resting.JWDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12554888778862339284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-39799303579935572432015-11-18T14:24:35.909-08:002015-11-18T14:24:35.909-08:00For those who don't wish to copy and past a li...For those who don't wish to copy and past a link from "Roy the Snake" (yes, I actually did that!), this talking snake doesn't have a whole lot that is new to say. He links a bunch of verses about hell, says again I'm morally incompetent, lobs some insults at Jesus too (so I'm in good company), and ignores my actual arguments, for the most part. About what you'd expect from a legless lizard with vocal cords, or from a fan of Hector Avalos.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5071813.post-50282589591504608652015-11-18T13:37:03.201-08:002015-11-18T13:37:03.201-08:00http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015/11/christi...http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2015/11/christian-apologist-david-marshall-needs-your-hell-help/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com