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Sunday, June 08, 2025

Do All Paths Lead to God?


A Facebook friend, Eric Van Evans, just wrote a critique of what he called "Exclusivism."  He defined that position as "the belief that only one particular religion is true."  (Often it is defined, instead, as "the belief that only followers of your faith will be saved.")  In my doctoral dissertation, I also critique "Exclusivism" in the sense Van Evans criticizes, so I don't mind that definition or someone else taking a shot at it.  The problem is that Van Evans seemed to assume that the only or best alternative to exclusivism was what is called "Pluralism," of the John Hick variety: that God is the sun and different religions the planets which take in rays from that sun in common.  (Though Van Evans preferred the  more seasonal metaphor of a garden with many flowers.)  

It was a short piece, but a good starting point for thinking not only how Christians should view other traditions, but how the nature of reality itself, and the facts of human faiths, constrain our options, and why I think there is a better one than either Exclusivism or Pluralism. 

"Religious exclusivism is the belief that only one particular religion is true. (a) The rest are seen as either dangerously confused or outright false.(b) This belief has always struck me as both philosophically untenable and spiritually impoverished. If God is love, as Christianity and other religions proclaim,(c) then that love must surpass doctrine. (d)  So, I’ve always seen religion as a garden of many different flowers growing toward the same light.   They may differ in color, appearance, or fragrance, but they share the same soil. (e) Here’s a brief sketch of why I’ve never been able to accept religious exclusivism." (f) 

(a) Some exclusivists define their view, rather, as the belief that only their faith is salvific, leads us to God or to salvation.  But like Eric, I also prefer to focus on truth, in part because it is easier to verify than the ultimate fate of all human souls.  

(b) Some exclusivists, like the Catholic theologian Gavin D'Costa at Bristol University, whose work I critiqued in my dissertation and who participated in my viva voce, admit a great deal of truth in other religious traditions.  They define their "exclusivism" more narrowly as meaning that their faith alone is ULTIMATELY true.  I concede that I find such language confusing.  Surely "exclusive" means one must exclude other faith traditions in a stronger sense than that.  

(c)  What does this mean, "Christianity and other religions" say that "God is love?"  All other religions?  A few other religions?  This is certainly not universally believed.  The closest parallel to Christianity here may be the ancient Chinese philosopher Mo Zi, who said that human beings should model themselves on the love of Heaven.  But I have never heard that the Aztecs claimed that God or the gods were love.  In fact, atheists are partly right: religion is often tribal, justifying one society to destroy other societies.  One can, of course, cite Old Testament verses to justify this position, or to destroy it.  

(e) What does it mean to say that "God's love must surpass dogma?"  Isn't that itself a dogma?  

(f) Do all religions in fact "grow towards the same light?"  And are there no weeds in this garden of religions?  No snakes in the grass?  Is human religious culture carefully tended flowers, or a wild jungle full of dangerous beasts?  

One of the problems with Pluralism is that it tends to romanticize religion.  After all, Charles Manson had a religion.  Jim Jones was religious.  Adolf Hitler can be seen as a highly successful religious entrepreneur.  

In fact, I would argue that the garden or jungle of human religions is a highly diverse place.  You have genuinely great thinkers, like Plato, Lao Zi, Isaiah, and Confucius.  You have violent revolutionaries, like Mohammed and Marx.  You have crackpots creating personality cults.  You also find (or don't find) vague figures half lost in the mists of time, like the historical Buddha, about whom it is hard to make heads or tails.  

And then you have Jesus of Nazareth, to whom, after a lifetime of study, I still find no strong parallels.  

Van Evans then offers five observations or conclusions: 

1. "Most people inherit their religion.  Had I been born in Tehran, I would likely be a Muslim.  In Kyoto, perhaps a Buddhist or Shinto.  In a secular household, probably an atheist.  Much of what we believe is shaped by the culture we find ourselves thrown into.  But truth, of course, is not defined by geography."

This appears to be a generalized version of what John Loftus called "The Outsider Test for Faith," which I rebut in How Jesus Passes the Outsider Test.  (And in our debate on Unbelievable.)  Van Evans appears more careful about drawing conclusions from the "fact of religious diversity," as Loftus calls it.  Good!  For even given the fact that people in these various places do generally believe these things -- though people in Tehran seem to be divesting themselves of their Islamic beliefs right now, and Japanese are generally not all that "religious"-- no obvious conclusion follows. 

People in different cultures also believed different things about the moon.  Then astronauts in one culture went there, and gained a richer understanding of that body.  If Jesus really is the Son of God, then he likewise offers greater knowledge of who God is, knowledge that in the course of events, like a great tree growing from a single seed (to use Jesus' own metaphor), will spread out from one spot.  

One does not want to commit the genetic fallacy.  That an idea originates in one place, makes it neither more nor less likely to be true, by and large.  Something, after all, must be true, and awareness of that something is not likely to be evenly distributed.  And belief in God is probably the most widespread metaphysical ultimate, so that belief is the least dependent on mere geography.  

2. "Religions make different claims, but many point toward similar experiences such as awe, surrender, bliss, transformation, and mystical union. When a Muslim and a Christian speak about God’s love, they are often unpacking the same encounter with the divine, even if they interpret it through different lenses. Doctrinal differences may divide us, but our shared experience of God often unites us."


Perhaps the Aztec cannibal, when he eats the heart of a victim atop a pyramid in Mexico, experiences similar feelings of awe, surrender, and transcendence, as a Catholic when he eats the "body of Christ."  After all, human beings have a limited patina of emotions.  Does it follow that both are encountering "the divine," and even the same divine?  

The claim that they are, or are not, are both doctrines.  So even Van Evans admits, implicitly, that human feelings are not enough.  There are also better and worse ways of understanding who God is, and what He wants us to do.  That's doctrine.  John Hick's Pluralism fails at this point, as D'Costa points out, and Hick admits that he has no basis to claim good is a better representation of "the Real" than evil.  Which is another way of saying, in an effort to be fair to everyone, he winds up being unfair to what he knows in his heart to be true: that Good is good, and Evil is evil. 

If Van Evans is arguing that recognition of the goodness of God should be a hint to ultimate truth, I agree, and that's one reason why I believe in Jesus.  If he denies that, then it seems to me he's contradicting himself.  

3.  "Exclusivism assumes that one’s own religion has privileged access to ultimate truth. But epistemically speaking, that’s a problematic jump insofar as human knowledge is limited. In other words, we interpret the infinite through our finite senses. Even if one tradition seems truer than others, it’s implausible to claim that any one system exhausts the divine altogether. As the philosopher John Hick put it, different religions may be understood as culturally conditioned responses to the same transcendent reality. He often called this reality, “The Real.”

Lots of confusion here, so it's fitting that Van Evans brings in John Hick's name. (I hadn't noticed that he mentioned Hick when writing the above paragraphs.)  

a. "Privileged access" is not the same thing as claiming "exhaustive knowledge" of truth.  My analogy of the moon landing come to mind again.  Neil Armstrong had privileged access to the moon, but not exhaustive knowledge of it.  Just so, those who see me, said Christ, see the Father.  That is not equally true of those who see Jim Jones, except in the sense that the Father of Lies is also a metaphorical "father."  But Jesus did not say that his disciples had exhaustive knowledge of God.  Those are two different claims.   

b. Hick began by calling this reality "God," but then realized that excluded non-theistic traditions.  In the books by him that I have read, he never seriously grappled with the problem I note above, that some religious founders are positively evil.  He even seemed to include Maoism in his naive sketch of planets circling the sun, as I recall.  In the end he essentially admitted that he couldn't privilege interpretations of "the Real" that privileged good over evil.  But if one cannot judge between good and evil, why call what religions receive "light" rather than "darkness?"  

c.  All our knowledge is "culturally conditioned."  It does not follow that some claims about reality can be verified, and others, falsified.  

d. I don't like the word "assumes" here, either.  Christians do not "assume" that Jesus is Lord.  His life, teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection give us reason to call him Lord.  Our faith is a conclusion, in other words, not an "assumption."  

4. "A God who would punish a genuine seeker simply for being born into the “wrong” tradition would be infinitely cruel. That would make God more concerned with doctrinal precision than with the mind and heart postured toward the good. That sounds like a jealous tribal deity, not a God of absolute love and intellect. Does that sound like a God worthy of worship?"

That is, I concede, a potential problem with Exclusivism.  I will let exclusivists answer it.  I think the challenge is stronger or weaker, depending on what kind of exclusivist you ask.  But notice that Van Evans has switched in his definitions from the question of truth, to the question of salvation.  

5. "Every religion is a flawed, yet beautiful attempt to discover God. The mystics of every tradition got this right. Their approach was found in paradox, mystery, and silence. I trust them far more than the apologists who fervently try to convert others, claiming their religion is the only way. To believe one path is true does not mean all others are false. I remain drawn to the Christian story not because I believe it excludes other stories, but because within it, I’ve encountered meaningful transformation. But I’ve also encountered that same transformation in other traditions, too."

Despite Van Evan's distaste for doctrine, we're getting a lot of it here, without much discussion of the raw data of religions, which I make it my habit to study.    

a. Many religions deny that their faith is "an attempt to discover God."  Why impose that on them, then?  

b. And what were Mohammed's true motives in launching jihad, pillaging enemy caravans, torturing and murdering those he attacked, and marrying dozens of women?  To discover God?  To gain loot?  Or both at the same time? 

Such questions must be answered, before drawing such conclusions.  

c. As a Christian, I affirm that "Jesus is Lord."  But that is not merely an a priori assumption to me.  it is a conclusion that decades of studying non-Christian traditions has reinforced.  

I deeply respect Confucius.  I love the aphorisms and paradoxes of Lao Zi.  To the extent I can figure out who Buddha really was, I think he may have been sincerely seeking for a solution to suffering in the world.  I love Buddhist cuisine, and am amazed by the many beautiful temples I have visited in East Asia and North America.  

And yes, I think Islam got some things right about God.  He is the Creator.  He is the Boss.  I also think Marxism gets what power it has from truths it borrowed (albeit in a distorted form) from the Gospel. 

But every religion is not "beautiful."  Some are brutally ugly.  If Van Evans has never witnessed this, he is lucky.

d. There is, indeed, a time to be silent, and a time to confess ignorance.  There is also a time to speak, and a time to declare what one thinks one knows.   Van Evans chastises apologists, forgetting, it seems, that he is wearing the hat of an apologist even as he writes.  I do, too, but I do not apologize for my apology. 

Finally, Van Evans concludes: 
    
"We have to be careful not to project our pathologies onto God. Religious exclusivism often does just that. It says, “I’m right. You’re wrong.(a)  And if you don’t agree, you might go to hell forever.” There’s nothing noble or beautiful about that vision.(b)  I don’t believe God is concerned with theological correctness. Instead, I believe God is deeply concerned with how we live: the love we give, the good we do, and the truth we seek. (c) So, I would encourage you to try to see religion as a garden full of flowers. They may look different, but at the end of the day, they emerge from the same ground and grow toward the same sun."

(a) John Hick and Eric Van Evans also say "I am right, you are wrong," one reason D'Costa describes the former as a de facto exclusivist.  Logic forces us, in affirming A, to deny non-A.  Pluralists can't get away from that, either.  It is a little unfair of them to decry other exclusivists from talking precisely the same way they talk.  

(b) No one said hell was beautiful.  But while I am not an exclusivist, and while I prefer to talk about truth not salvation, there is something beautiful about love. And warning someone against the destruction of their soul, because you love them, can be beautiful.  I know a cop who dragged a man out of a burning vehicle, who also talked about hell, also because he loved them.  And he was a beautiful follower of Christ.  

(c) Again, note the doctrine in service of anti-doctrine, here.  But "faith vs. works" is a false dichotomy.   Maybe God cares what we believe, in part because how we "love God," and if we love God, will determine how we love our neighbor, or if we love our neighbor.  And maybe truth is precious for its own sake.  

Van Evans then closes with three quotations, from the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Gospel of John, which resemble one another.  I need not show that these three quotes are cherry-picked to prove his point, that all paths go up the same mountain.  His quote from the Gita is probably closest to the actual message of the book, though that book was also a religious justification for waging war.  

The logical problem here is even harder.  What such cherry-picking shows is that D'Costa was right: "Pluralists" are really exclusivists, when it comes to truth.  Because they exclude verses that don't support their point of view.  

I am neither an exclusivist nor a pluralist.  Over many years of studying Christian thought, in the Bible and among great thinkers like Augustine, Ricci, Chesterton, C S Lewis, and many others, I developed a model of religions I call "Fulfillment Theology."  I believe that model is both biblical, and fair to the complex truth of world religions.  One need not cherry-pick.  Nor need one deny truth in non-Christian traditions: the Chinese traditions I have studied are rich in truth.  But having seen what God has done through human traditions, I believe one can follow the star to the manger in Bethlehem, in worship and in wonder.   Because I have found that the truths in other traditions ultimately point to Christ, often in the most amazing ways.  

Or "blow out the candles, the sun has risen," as the great Chinese writer and philosopher Lin Yutang put it.  

  

Sunday, April 20, 2025

Michael Paulkovich's "Argument" Against Jesus

One might feel for Secular Humanist magazine.  They appear desperate for writers.  How else to explain the fact that they publish Michael Paulkovich, an engineer who appears to have no innate (never mind cultivated) talent for historical thinking, on the alleged weakness of the evidence for Jesus?  And apparently they're too poor to hire editors who recognize weak pseudo-history when they see it.  

Here's Paulkovich's "argument," followed by a point-by-point rebuttal.  Instead of believing nine impossible things before breakfast, I thought I'd breakfast on this impossibly bad argument instead, after someone brought it up at National Review to dispute Easter. 

"I have always been a staunch Bible skeptic but not a Christ-mythicist. I maintained that Jesus probably existed but had fantastic stories foisted upon the memory of his earthly yet iconoclastic life."

He and Richard Carrier were, it seems, enlightened to the Gnostic "truth" about the most famous man in history at about the same time.  

"After exhaustive research for my first book, I began to perceive both the light and darkness from history."

What a sentence!  The pomposity of this line should let us know what we're in for.  After "exhaustive" research (we'll see otherwise below), you "began" to perceive that both bad and good things happen?  Or that a particular hidden pattern of good and evil can be traced by the Illuminati?  

"I discovered that many prominent Christian fathers believed with all pious sincerity that their savior never came to Earth or that if he did, he was a Star-Trekian character who beamed down pre-haloed and full-grown, sans transvaginal egress. And I discovered other startling bombshells."

Sounds Carrier-esque, all right.  

"An exercise that struck me as meritorious, even today singular, involved reviving research into Jesus-era writers who should have recorded Christ tales but did not. John Remsburg enumerated forty-one “silent” historians in The Christ (1909). To this end, I spent many hours bivouacked in university libraries, the Library of Congress, and on the Internet. I terminated that foray upon tripling Remsburg’s count: in my book, I offer 126 writers who should have but did not write about Jesus (see the box on p. 57). Perhaps the most bewildering “silent one” is the super-Savior himself. Jesus is a phantom of a wisp of a personage who never wrote anything. So, add one more: 127."

We begin to see that Paulkovich has no natural talent for history.  The confusions already are enormous: 

(1) Who is to decide who "should" have written about Jesus.  Based on what criteria? 

(2) Why "should" Jesus have written an autobiography?  The biographies his disciples wrote have proven worldwide Number One best-sellers, to put it mildly.  That worked well enough. 

(3) Confucius didn't write an autobiography, either.  Yet his Analects, like the gospels an account of the life, acts, and teachings of the Master by early disciples, is one of the foundations of Chinese tradition.  Analects is not, as I show in How Jesus Fulfills the Chinese Culture, anything so well-attested as the gospels, but it is the best evidence for Confucius' life we have, and satisfies most historians as such. 

(4) How does Paulkovich know Jesus "never wrote anything?"  Or any of these other alleged writers?  As every historian knows, the vast majority of ancient writings are lost, even by the most famous philosophers, dramatists, and historians. 

(5) Still less writings about folk preachers in backwaters of the Roman Empire whose followers were persecuted for centuries.

"Perhaps none of these writers is more fascinating than Apollonius Tyanus (sic), saintly first-century adventurer and noble paladin.  Apollonius was a magic-man of divine birth who cured the sick and blind, cleansed entire cities of plague, foretold the future, and fed the masses. He was worshiped as a god and as a son of a god. Despite such nonsense claims, Apollonius was a real man recorded by reliable sources."

I know "LOL" is a cliche.  But I really did laugh out loud when I read this paragraph.  

(6) To give Paulkovich "credit," here he is at least echoing ridiculous arguments made by many real scholars, for instance, Bart Ehrman.  I refute them thoroughly in Jesus is No Myth

(7) Apollonius actually left no writings behind, anyway.  So why should he have written about Jesus?  

(8) The main account of Apollonius' life, The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, was not in fact written by a "reliable source," but by a Saturday Night Live comedian before his time.  It is filled with amusingly absurd dialogue, pepper-farming monkeys, ridge dragons, and fawns that attack Indian cities with cloaking devices around them.  

(9) It was commissioned by an enemy of the church, for reasons of her own.  

(10) The stories it tells cover the known (and unknown) globe at the time, but are fabulous tall tales, with little more to recommend them than, say, The Alexandrian Romance

(11) Apollonius is sort of said to have cleansed the city of Ephesus of the plague -- by instructing its inhabitants to stone a beggar to death.  Jesus, let us note, stopped a stoning, he never instigated one.  Apollonius wasn't really all that "noble."  Most of the rest of what Paulkovich says is derivative and sketchy.   

(12) It is telling that that IS the best skeptics can come up with.  The one valuable take-away here is that Paulkovich can find no better parallel to the life of Jesus -- as, I show, is true of real NT scholars on the same mission.  (I won't say from God.)  Apollonius is frequently cited by genuine skeptical historians as well as fake ones, because they can't come up with any better parallels to the life of Jesus.  To a starving man, three day old crow meat will do.  

"Because Jesus ostensibly performed miracles of global expanse (such as in Matthew 27), his words going “unto the ends of the whole world” (Rom. 10), one would expect virtually every literate person to have recorded those events. A Jesus contemporary such as Apollonius would have done so, as well as those who wrote of Apollonius."

(13) A classic non sequitur, which shows again that Paulkovich has little concept of how history works.  

In fact, Matthew 27 records events which are said to have occurred not around the globe, but in Jerusalem.  Suppose there were a small earthquake in Jerusalem that day.  How was some writer in Spain or Greece supposed to know about that?  Why should he believe any reports that come to him about veils rent or even the dead raised?  Why should he bother filling expensive papyrus pages or codexes with such remote accounts?  Who would have copied it?  And then have preserved it all those centuries, against the ravages of time, unlike more famous works which were lost? 

The idea that "every literate person" would have recorded such rumors, and then those records would have been preserved, is ridiculous.  What is amazing is how much we do have about the life of one particular penny-less 1st Century Jewish carpenter, as again I show in Jesus is No Myth, and of what extraordinary, unparalleled quality.  

"Such is not the case. In Philostratus’s third-century chronicle Vita Apollonii, there is no hint of Jesus. Nor does Jesus appear in the works of other Apollonius epistolarians and scriveners: Emperor Titus, Cassius Dio, Maximus, Moeragenes, Lucian, Soterichus Oasites, Euphrates, Marcus Aurelius, or Damis of Hierapolis. It seems that none of these first- to third-century writers ever heard of Jesus, his miracles and alleged worldwide fame be damned."

(14) More bosh.  Note that against Paulkovich begins with Philostratus' Apollonius, showing how bad his evidence is.  Damis was his main supposed source, though he was obviously just his sock-puppet, a convenient device from a city that didn't even exist in that time.  Lucian is most famous for a proto-science fiction work about floating islands and countries in the stomachs of giant whales.  (Not very good sci-fi, in my opinion.  But neither was Kepler's story of a travel to the moon, so one must give him credit for trying, I suppose.)  

And is there "no hint of Jesus" in Lucian?  One wouldn't be surprised: Christianity was still a tiny movement in the late 2nd Century.   (See Rodney Stark, The Rise of Christianity.)  But actually Lucian did mention him.  In all his "exhaustive" (or is that "exhausting?") time in libraries, apparently Paulkovich never came across the following passage from The Death of Peregrine

"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day,--the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.
"

So dead wrong on that.  

But Paulkovich prefers to harp on old and silly parallels: 

"Another bewildering author is Philo of Alexandria. He spent his first-century life in the Levant and even traversed Jesus-land. Philo chronicled contemporaries of Jesus—Bassus, Pilate, Tiberius, Sejanus, Caligula—yet knew nothing of the storied prophet and rabble-rouser enveloped in glory and astral marvels."

No one who has dipped into Philo's long commentaries on the Old Testament will expect him to mention Jesus.  He barely writes of the contemporary city of Jerusalem!  His writings are almost entirely theological and philosophical, though his work also took him occasionally into politics, the context in which he mentions Pilate, the ruler of the country, in a letter.  

So if an American Muslim writer mentions Donald Trump, it follows that if he doesn't also mention Mark Driscoll, the latter did not exist?  Such silliness. 

"Historian Flavius Josephus published his Jewish Wars circa 95 CE. He had lived in Japhia, one mile from Nazareth—yet Josephus seems unaware of both Nazareth and Jesus. (I devoted a chapter to the interpolations in Josephus’s works that make him appear to write of Jesus when he did not.)"

I shall pass on reading that chapter.  The consensus among historians is that Josephus did, in fact, write about Jesus, not once but probably twice.  But engineers who tangle their feet in the weeds at every step should be believed before historians about history!
     

"The Bible venerates the artist formerly known as Saul of Tarsus, but he was a man essentially oblivious to his savior. Paul was unaware of the virgin mother and ignorant of Jesus’s nativity, parentage, life events, ministry, miracles, apostles, betrayal, trial, and harrowing passion. Paul didn’t know where or when Jesus lived and considered the crucifixion metaphorical (Gal. 2:19–20). Unlike what is claimed in the Gospels, Paul never indicated that Jesus had come to Earth. And the “five hundred witnesses” claim (1 Cor. 15) is a forgery."

No, that passage is not a forgery, though it needs to be, for the Carrier-Paulkovich thesis. 

And no, from the fact that in his writings to the young church, Paul emphasized moral and theological themes, it is completely invalid to deduce that he "was unaware" of the details of Jesus' life.  He wrote and spoke often of Jesus' death and resurrection, so that latter part is just false.  But ancient writers, and even some modern writers, liked to focus on specific topics.  Writing a book does not imply one knows or cares about nothing outside of that book.  Luke barely mentions the historical Jesus in Acts, but fills his gospel with Jesus' life.  I don't think one could find mention of Alexander the Great in Arrian's account of his Stoic teacher Epictetus, or of Epictetus in his biography of Alexander.  Paul's close friend Luke wrote an excellent biography of Jesus, and Paul visited Jesus' disciples.  He no doubt knew the facts well.  And he does mention the death and resurrection of Jesus numerous times -- also Jesus' brothers, another piece of evidence which Carrier feels the need to try to debunk.   

"Qumran, hidey-hole for the Dead Sea Scrolls, lies twelve miles from Bethlehem. The scroll writers, coeval and abutting the holiest of hamlets one jaunty jog eastward, never heard of Jesus. Christianity still had that new-cult smell in the second century, but Christian presbyter Marcion of Pontus in 144 CE denied any virgin birth or childhood for Christ. Jesus’s infant circumcision (Luke 2:21) was thus a lie, as well as the crucifixion! Marcion claimed that Luke was corrupted; Christ self-spawned in omnipresence, esprit sans corps."

What do you know!  Orthodox Christianity had critics, 110 years after the resurrection!  This is like saying, "Some people criticized communism in the 20th Century, so Karl Marx must be an imaginary figure."  

As for Qumran, here's a list of Dead Sea Scrolls.  Where in this list would one expect biographies of contemporary Jewish preachers?  

List of the Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia

"I read the works of second-century Christian father Athenagoras and never encountered the word Jesus—Athenagoras was unacquainted with the name of his savior! This floored me. Had I missed something? No; Athenagoras was another pious early Christian who was unaware of Jesus."

Here Paulkovich moves from mere stupidity, to out-and-out lying. 

It is true that in Athenagoras' open letter to the emperor and others, he does not use the name "Jesus."  It is true that he is mainly arguing for theism and the goodness of Christian teaching, not offering a detailed account of Jesus' life.  But it is also true that he quotes Jesus' words as given in the synoptic gospels, several times.  And he refers, in terms clearly borrowing from John, to the Son of God: 

"We acknowledge also a Son of God.  Nor let anyone think it ridiculous that God should have a Son. For though the poets, in their fictions, represent the gods as no better than men, our mode of thinking is not the same as theirs, concerning either God the Father or the Son. But the Son of God is the Logos of the Father in idea and in operation; for after the pattern of Him and by Him were all things made, the Father and the Son being one. And, the Son being in the Father and the Father in the Son, in oneness and power of spirit, the understanding and reason (νοῦς καὶ λόγος) of the Father is the Son of God."  

And, from the Synoptics, we get several quotes like this: 

"But we are so far from practising promiscuous intercourse, that it is not lawful among us to indulge even a lustful look. For, says He, he that looks on a woman to lust after her, has committed adultery already in his heart.

But Athenagoras uses the word "he" instead of "Jesus," so it doesn't count, and the man had never heard of Jesus!

Even if Paulkovich can make himself believe that, it is gross dishonesty not to mention the fact that his source is caught quoting words ascribed to Jesus in the gospels directly.  One should never trust a writer who plays such games: he is a scoundrel.  

"The original Mark ended at 16:8, with later forgers adding the fanciful resurrection tale. John 21 also describes post-death Jesus tales, another forgery. Millions should have heard of the crucifixion with its astral enchantments: zombie armies and meteorological marvels (Matt. 27) recorded not by any historian but only in the dubitable scriptures scribbled decades later by superstitious folks. The Jesus saga is further deflated by Nazareth, a town without piety and in fact having no settlement until after the war of 70 CE—suspiciously, just around the time the Gospels were concocted."

Even an engineer with an amateur knack for history should be able to do better than this.  

"Zombie armies?"  There is no mention of such armies in Matthew 27, in fact.  

"Decades later?"  But Jesus died young, and his disciples would have been younger.  Many would have been alive in the 70s.  

While it would be incautious to write so dogmatically in response as this amateur does about Nazareth, we can at least say that his opinion about when the city was founded is disputed by better-informed writers. His suspicions count for nothing.  

"When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not—and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumran and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions—I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character. Jesus of Nazareth was nothing more than an urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed."

An absurd argument, with nonsensical premises and invalid arguments to connect those premises to a ridiculous conclusion.  (Which furthermore, simply ignores the contrary evidence, which I describe in Jesus is No Myth.)  

"I also include in my book similarities of Jesus to earlier God-sons such as Sandan and Mithra and Horus and Attis, too striking to disregard. The Oxford Classical Dictionary and Catholic Encyclopedia, as well as many others, corroborate."

As if we didn't have enough to make us laugh, already.  These arguments have already gone far beyond refuting, to the land of satire.   

Sorry, I gave in and had breakfast before finishing this, finding P's argument thin gruel, indeed. 

"Thus, today I side with Remsburg—and with Frank Zindler, John M. Allegro, Godfrey Higgins, Robert M. Price, Salomon Reinach, Samuel Lublinski, Charles-François Dupuis, Allard Pierson, Rudolf Steck, Arthur Drews, Prosper Alfaric, Georges Ory, Tom Harpur, Michael Martin, John Mackinnon Robertson, Alvar EllegÃ¥rd, David Fitzgerald, Richard Carrier, René Salm, Timothy Freke, Peter Gandy, Barbara Walker, Michael Martin, D.M. Murdock, Thomas Brodie, Earl Doherty, Thomas L. Thompson, Bruno Bauer, and others—heretics and iconoclasts and freethinking dunces all, it would seem."

I'm tempted to add another "LOL."  

Dunces?  I wouldn't call Price, Carrier, Bauer, or Martin that.  But flakes?  Crack-pots?  Yes, absolutely.  Martin is a philosopher, and can be given some leeway, since history wasn't his gig.  But true, Freke and Gandy, Doherty, Fitzgerald, Murdock, are not the sharpest blades on the shelf.  Perhaps even some of them are better historians than this chap, though.   

"If all the evidence and nonevidence including 126 (127?) silent writers cannot convince, I’ll wager that we will uncover much more. Yet this is but a tiny tip of the mythical-Jesus iceberg: nothing adds up for the fable of the Christ."

That's a metaphor to get one's head around.  "The mythical Jesus iceberg" on which "nothing adds up?"  He gave a line or two of decent alliteration earlier: one hoped he might end on a rhetorical high note, considering how he has bungled history. 

Before we get to his list, let me reprise, or at least prise, some salient facts: 

1. Paulkovich has claimed or implied that four people did not mention Jesus, who plainly and clearly did, one of whom repeatedly quoted Jesus' words from the gospels. 

2. His "all stars" of those who "should" have mentioned Jesus can hardly be bested for lameness, as witnesses against Jesus: Jesus himself, the extended Saturday Night Live gag Life of Apollonius of Tyana, Philo the theologian, and St. Paul.  

3. He has, thus far, breathed not a word of the extensive evidence for the historicity of the gospels that I describe in Jesus is No Myth, and other scholars like Craig Blomberg, NT Wright, and Ben Witherington have delved into in such depth.  

4. He clearly has no concept of how extraordinarily rare it is to find as much and as rich textual evidence for anyone in the 1st Century, as we have for Jesus of Nazareth -- let alone for an itinerate preacher in a remote Roman province.  I challenge anyone to find anything remotely resembling the gospels, never mind other early works which speak of Jesus.  The closest analogy that I have found, as mentioned above, is the Analects of Confucius.  But that is only one book, and it is far poorer in the kind of historical evidences found and described in the gospels.  

5. Paulkovich's comments breath of Amateur Hour at the Karaoke Bar.  We do not, then, need to go through his long, vain list in detail.  Paulkovich has given his best arguments, and they are pathetic.  These other cases are, one can fairly assume, are even weaker and, hopefully, half as amusing as Apollonius of Tyana, though that is a tall order.  

Several of these people actually do mention Jesus, against all odds.  Look up some of the others.  Arguing that Jesus didn't live because the writings we have from these people don't all mention him, would be like claiming that Mark Driscoll is a fictional character, because he's not cited by name in your World Lit textbook or the Farmer's Almanac.  The non sequitur is strong with this one.   

Paulkovich has fired his best missiles, and they circled round and hit him in the rear.  And he hasn't even glanced at what's incoming from the other sideat least not in this article.  If he takes a shot at my Jesus is No Myth: Fingerprints of God on the Gospels, I hope he does better than than Carrier did.    

Poor Secular Humanist.  I'm half-tempted to contribute an article or two myself, to help them make their anti-Christian case, so refuting them will be more fun.      

 

The Silent Historians

  • Aelius Theon
  • Albinus
  • Alcinous
  • Ammonius of Athens
  • Alexander of Aegae
  • Antipater of Thessalonica
  • Antonius Polemo
  • Apollonius Dyscolus
  • Apollonius of Tyana
  • Appian
  • Archigenes
  • Aretaeus
  • Arrian
  • Asclepiades of Prusa
  • Asconius
  • Aspasius
  • Atilicinus
  • Attalus
  • Bassus of Corinth
  • C. Cassius Longinus
  • Calvisius Taurus of Berytus
  • Cassius Dio
  • Chaeremon of Alexandria
  • Claudius Agathemerus
  • Claudius Ptolemaeus
  • Cleopatra the physician
  • Cluvius Rufus
  • Cn. Cornelius Lentulus Gaetulicus
  • Cornelius Celsus
  • Columella
  • Cornutus
  • D. Haterius Agrippa
  • D. Valerius Asiaticus
  • Damis
  • Demetrius
  • Demonax
  • Demosthenes Philalethes
  • Dion of Prusa
  • Domitius Afer
  • Epictetus
  • Er
    otianus
  • Euphrates of Tyre
  • Fabius Rusticus
  • Favorinus Flaccus
  • Florus
  • Fronto
  • Gellius
  • Gordius of Tyana
  • Gnaeus Domitius
  • Halicarnassensis Dionysius II
  • Heron of Alexandria
  • Josephus
  • Justus of Tiberias
  • Juvenal
  • Lesbonax of Mytilene
  • Lucanus
  • Lucian
  • Lysimachus
  • M. Antonius Pallas
  • M. Vinicius
  • Macro
  • Mam. Aemilius Scaurus
  • Marcellus Sidetes
  • Martial
  • Maximus Tyrius
  • Moderatus of Gades
  • Musonius
  • Nicarchus
  • Nicomachus Gerasenus
  • Onasandros
  • P. Clodius Thrasea
  • Paetus Palaemon
  • Pamphila
  • Pausanias
  • Pedacus Dioscorides
  • Persius/Perseus
  • Petronius
  • Phaedrus
  • Philippus of Thessalonica
  • Philo of Alexandria
  • Phlegon of Tralles
  • Pliny the Elder
  • Pliny the Younger
  • Plotinus
  • Plutarch
  • Pompeius Saturninus
  • Pomponius Mela
  • Pomponius Secundus
  • Potamon of Mytilene
  • Ptolemy of Mauretania
  • Q. Curtius Rufus
  • Quintilian
  • Rubellius Plautus
  • Rufus the Ephesian
  • Saleius Bassus
  • Scopelian the Sophist
  • Scribonius
  • Seneca the Elder
  • Seneca the Younger
  • Sex. Afranius Burrus
  • Sex. Julius Frontinus
  • Servilius Damocrates
  • Silius Italicus
  • Soranus
  • Soterides of Epidaurus
  • Sotion
  • Statius the Elder
  • Statius the Younger
  • Suetonius
  • Sulpicia
  • T. Aristo
  • T. Statilius Crito
  • Tacitus
  • Thallus
  • Theon of Smyrna
  • Thrasyllus of Mendes
  • Ti. Claudius Pasion
  • Ti. Julius Alexander
  • Tiberius
  • Valerius Flaccus
  • Valerius Maximus
  • Vardanes I
  • Velleius Paterculus
  • Verginius Flavus
  • Vindex



Thursday, February 13, 2025

Does Capitalism Necessarily Destroy Souls?

Recently, I reflected on Frederick Douglass' autobiography, and the spiritually-destructive nature of slavery ("corrupt-making," I said) as he depicted it. A Facebook friend asked me if capitalism might also be "soul-destroying." I will attempt to answer that question in this forum.

First, my comments, and the challenge I received: 

DM: "Frederick Douglass' autobiography (ies) are wonderful writing, but often distressful reading. Christianity doesn't seem to have done the South much real good at that period, for instance. Douglass describes pious masters who went from singing hymns to beating or starving their slaves without a qualm. One of his masters got religion at a Methodist camp revival, and it just made him meaner. Douglass himself was a serious Christian as a young man, but found all this quite disappointing. (There were exceptions, which he gratefully describes.)
"Slavery was a corrupt-making institution: everything that came into contact with that rotten fruit, also went bad. From which we should ask: what about our worldview is not only immoral, but causes our faith, and our lives as a whole, to fester and stink? Much of what the Left says about 'Christian Nationalism' is hysterical and unjust, but certainly there are such temptations on the Right as well as on the Left."

ED: "Would you say that the imperative of viewing labor power as a commodity doesn't carry with it the danger of viewing people as commodities? If so, the latter is surely potentially soul-corrupting, especially if it tends to lead us to view them as mere commodities (in which case it very plausibly runs afoul of Kant's humanity formula of the CI."

I have not read Martin Buber for myself, but this question reminds me of his distinction between "I-It" and "I-Thou" interfaces. It is inherent to the nature of man to treat other persons in one of two ways: (1) as an object; (2) as a mutual subject, with whom one relates as a spiritual being. A human being is, among other things: a. A physical object with mass, subject to gravitational force. b. An animal with instincts which seeks to satisfy those instincts, competing with other animals for space, air, water, food, mates, and money. c. A social animal that exists in families, tribes, nations, churches, schools, and other social institutions, with hierarchies and rules.
d. A spiritual being in relation to God and other sapiential creatures.

It follows, then, that not capitalism in particular, but life in general "carries with it the danger of viewing people as commodities." We do, in fact, compete with other people, if only for the last seat on the bus, for a promotion, the best score in class, a girl a fish or the best room at a resort hotel.

To a linebacker, the quarterback is of necessity an "it," a "commodity." After the game, they might shake hands and nod at the "thou-ness" of the competition. Most of life must be lived on the "I-It" level: we cannot enter into a deep spiritual relationship with the guy tailgating us on the freeway, though we might let him pass. But is that because we recognize him as a troubled soul and have compassion on him, or so we can drive in peace?

Christian ethics, as exemplified in Jesus' story of the Good Samaritan, means looking at people we meet as "thous" and not just "its." The gospels amaze me because Jesus never seems to meet an "it," a "woman," a "Samaritan," a "cripple," or even a "Pharisee." He looks into the eyes of each person he encounters and says "I see you." So he never repeats himself, because he never meets the same person twice, or a category that renders any two people clones. He is always aware of the "Thou," even when he rebukes people.

Is this possible for a capitalist businessman? Does capitalism make "I-Thou" relationships impossible? Do pre or post capitalist social structures make "I-It" relationships either more or less frequent in comparison to "I-Thou" relationships?

The argument is that the businessman sees his laborers as mere "commodities," like his mules or his tractor or the produce of his factory.

Certainly that happens sometimes, maybe most often, just as it happens most often in every social structure. Students compete with one another. Teachers think of students, or their parents, as customers. Generals count their troops to calculate the chance of victory and glory, at a cost of so many lives. Even parents think of their children as extensions of their own ego, or perhaps someone to take care of them when they grow old.

These examples, though, may already suggest to you the importance of a hierarchy of relationships. It is an obscenity if a mother sees her children as no more than a McDonald's manager sees his employees. We cannot always think of the souls of those we interact with: say hi to the cashier, but both sides recognize that as a fleeting and mostly instrumental transaction. A saint might go further in seeing each person as a soul for whom Christ died. But you ought to think that way about your own kids.

The difference between capitalism and slavery is that the relationship between boss and worker is mutually-established. The slave doesn't choose to be a slave, usually, and seldom is allowed to choose her owner. The employee, on the other hand, does agree to work for so much an hour, applying to several companies before finding a job that he thinks will meet his needs. They sign a contract. The employee receives a wage. He can leave when he wants. He can't usually be sold to another cotton farmer down the river.

Still, both sides may see their relationship mostly as "I-It." "The boss" is grumpy today, better avoid her. This employee is inefficient and has low ratings from customers, better let him go.

So yes, the transactional push of the bottom line -- for both parties -- encourage "I-It" thinking, as does driving on a freeway in competition with other cars, or asking a girl out in competition with other boys, etc. But "I-Thou" thinking is also possible: real concern for the other person. Growing up in the home of a small businessman with employees, I saw that this was possible. And whether working in a state or private business, the challenge of seeing those under me -- teachers or students -- as human beings with whom I can enter into a spiritual relationship, is really not that different.

So what's the difference between slavery and private enterprise?

The very fact that the master-slave relationship is not free, corrupts on both sides. Douglass makes this extremely clear. The master beats the slave for being "lazy" because he faints from heat stroke, because he knows the slave has no financial incentive to work hard, and so must be incentivized with punishment. The slave cannot change masters, cannot choose her own mate, cannot raise her own children, works for the benefit of another, eats and dresses poorly, and dies without honor or love.

You may say, employees are also often poor and unloved.

But the market system creates incentives in both directions. The worker has the chance of doing better, because her hard work makes more money for her boss. Therefore all things being equal (though of course they are not always equal), the boss is forced to share the benefits of produce, to treat his employees more and more like "thous." He is competing for good workers, as the workers are competing for good salaries and benefits.

And if you treat someone like a "thou," you may begin to think of them as spiritual beings holy in the sight of God, as well. Slave society covers up for the bosses even when they kill "their" property. It must do so, otherwise the slaves would rebel, and the society would fall apart. But in a market economy, even a boss can generally be arrested for murder.

So while people may treat one another functionally under any system, and generally do, the incentive structures of slave and capitalist societies fundamentally point in opposite directions. Personally, I have almost always gotten along well with my bosses and with my subordinates. Yes, we laborers were "commodities," and sometimes my bosses made it clear that that is how they saw us, for the most part. And frankly, sometimes that was appropriate. But I think capitalism tends, by its nature, to create more incentive for genuine human relations than either slavery or statism.

Hierarchies are, as Jordan Peterson points out, and Burke before him, inevitable in any system.