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Let us analyze his arguments against "religion":
"Should you believe in a God? Not according to most academic philosophers. A comprehensive survey revealed that only about 14 percent of English speaking professional philosophers are theists."
Let's take that figure as accurate, for the sake of the argument. One assumes, from the title of his article, that Messerly intends to offer an argument from it to the claim that "absolute faith" (whatever that might be) is poorly supported, intellectually.
Let us also note that Messerly is himself a professional philosopher who does not believe, and also that the job of a professional philosopher is to think carefully. So let us attend especially closely to the use of evidence and logic in Messerly's article. If his own argument is a model of lucid argumentation and judicial use of evidence, then we might suppose that in his case, at any rate, the weight of philosophical expertise he invokes means something. If, on the other hand, Messerly makes use of convoluted argumentation, logical shortcuts, and crabbed or insufficient evidence, then perhaps his article will illustrate, instead, one or more defects in the thinking even of some well-educated men and women, that might explain their failure to believe in God.
So we follow and observe:
"As for what little religious belief remains among their colleagues, most professional philosophers regard it as a strange aberration among otherwise intelligent people. Among scientists the situation is much the same. Surveys of the members of the National Academy of Sciences, composed of the most prestigious scientists in the world, show that religious belief among them is practically nonexistent, about 7 percent."
Here a couple oddities catch my attention, which I have underlined. First, how does Messerly know that "most" professional philosophers see belief as a "strange aberration?" Can he cite a survey in which they say that? Or is he going on gut impressions? A really good argument would tie up such loose ends.
The second problem is more serious. Messerly appears to be claiming that "the most prestigious scientists in the world" belong to the "National Academy of Science." I might be able to believe that, if the organization was called the "Planetary Academy of Science." But surely casually equating the best American scientists (or scientists who practice in America) with the best in the world, exhibits a sloppiness of thought, that is a little ominous. (Though not yet relevant to Messerly's argument, which has not yet appeared.)
"Now nothing definitely follows about the truth of a belief from what the majority of philosophers or scientists think. But such facts might cause believers discomfort. There has been a dramatic change in the last few centuries in the proportion of believers among the highly educated in the Western world. In the European Middle Ages belief in a God was ubiquitous, while today it is rare among the intelligentsia."
I am wondering, again, about the source of Messerly's information. In "Secularization, RIP," sociologist of religion Rodney Stark argues that in fact, very few people in the Middle Ages even went to church.
In addition, "the intelligensia" does not equate to "members of the National Academy of Science."
Funk and Wagnalls defines "intelligentsia" as "Intellectual or educated people collectively, especially those with a broad or informed point of view."
In The Truth Behind the New Atheism, I cited a biologist who told me that if as a scientist, you "let other things in your life" besides work, you are "handicapped" and unlikely to win tenure. Does a constricted focus on the specific research question which wins a young scientist fame, maybe after many 80 hour weeks (as an Oxford physicist told me), even allow him to develop a "broad or informed point of view" in subjects outside his own narrow field? Or is scientific genius such that it can discern Truth without bothering to gain expertise in fields relevant to the matters on which one pontificates, or checking petty little facts?
As Socrates warned (Richard Dawkins?) in his Apology:
"The good craftsmen seemed to me to have the same fault as the poets: each of them, because of success at his craft, thought himself very wise in other more important pursuits, and this error of theirs overshadowed the wisdom they had . . . "
As Socrates warned (Richard Dawkins?) in his Apology:
"The good craftsmen seemed to me to have the same fault as the poets: each of them, because of success at his craft, thought himself very wise in other more important pursuits, and this error of theirs overshadowed the wisdom they had . . . "
And is belief in God really "rare" among the intelligentsia?
It does not appear to be. Michael Shermer and Frank Sulloway found that 64% of those they surveyed who had college educations or more, believed in God. Is 64% "rare?" Meanwhile:
"Research by Neil Gross and Solon Simmons done on more than 1,400 professors from 20 disciplinary fields and religiosity found that the majority of professors, even at "elite" universities were religious believers. As a whole, university professors were less religious than the general US population, but it is hardly the case that the professorial landscape is characterized by an absence of religion. In the study, 9.8% were atheists, 13.1% were agnostic, 19.2% believe in a higher power, 4.3% believe in God some of the time, 16.6% had doubts but believed in God, 34.9% believed in God and had no doubts."
So while education does correlate to somewhat lower levels of belief in God in the United States at present, Messerly was flatly wrong in claiming such belief to be "rare" among the "intelligensia," unless university professors are more religious than the rest of us! (Not likely.)
"This change occurred primarily because of the rise of modern science and a consensus among philosophers that arguments for the existence of gods, souls, afterlife and the like were unconvincing."
Again, no evidence is given, even that "philosophers" (whoever they might be) know what the best arguments for God, or for Christianity, are, let alone that their superior wisdom has allowed them to see through those arguments. Messerly is asking his readers to take his knowledge of these facts on faith, and for me, at least, that faith is already beginning to wear thin. And we haven't even gotten to any serious facts, yet.
"Still, despite the view of professional philosophers and world-class scientists, religious beliefs have a universal appeal. What explains this?"
Messerly uses the term "religious beliefs" here as a synonym for belief in "gods, souls, afterlife and the like." He apparently is unaware that "religion" can also be defined more broadly, in what sociologist Peter Berger described as "functional" senses, such as Paul Tillich's "ultimate concern." By those definitions, everyone has a "religion" of some sort, and the word religion cannot be used to illegitimately give secularism an a priori advantage.
And isn't it a little premature to ask this question? Messerly has not offered any evidence against God. He has merely asserted that some unspecified group of "philosophers and scientists," who may or may not know anything about the subject (maybe, like Richard Dawkins, and many others we have reviewed here, and here, and here, just to give a few examples, they would embarrass themselves if they tried to write a book on the subject), disbelieve. So what accounts for the strange fact that lots of other people do? Where is the logic supposed to be, here? If most scientists don't like baseball, should I cover my face in my leather glove (that has now seen 44 summers) in shame? And if scientists have no more time to spend on researching evidence for (say) the Resurrection of Jesus, or for miracles, than they do for baseball, why should we care what they think about the matter? Why should thinking people join in the blind idolatry of craftsmen, that Socrates eschewed? I sometimes wonder if anyone who knows any scientists can possibly think that way, and am always shocked when I learn that a given idolater actually knows some flesh-and-blood, oh so mortal, biochemists or physics profs.
"Genes and environment explain human beliefs and behaviors—people do things because they are genomes in environments."
Is this an excuse? Since writing tom-fool articles on Salon is a behavior, one sometimes exhibiting beliefs, does Messerly wants us to think that the article we are presently reading is "explained" by "genes and environment?" I suppose it is, in a sense. For one thing, if he were from northern Sri Lanka, he might be writing in Tamil. And maybe he would be defending Buddhism, instead of attacking it.
But Messerly appears to think his own views are immune to the process by which he wants to explain away opposing views. (That's why it helps to describe those views as "religious," so the reader will be tricked into taking his critical eye off of the equally mortal Messerly's own theories. Or is he going to claim that he's a robot, and isn't affected by genetics or culture?)
"The near universal appeal of religious belief suggests a biological component to religious beliefs and practices, and science increasingly confirms this view. There is a scientific consensus that our brains have been subject to natural selection. So what survival and reproductive roles might religious beliefs and practices have played in our evolutionary history? What mechanisms caused the mind to evolve toward religious beliefs and practices?"
Messerly just wastes our time in this paragraph. Do we really need to prove that there is a "biological component to beliefs and practices?" Does anyone deny that Christians eat bread and drink wine in the Eucharist, and that those religious practices are partly biological? Oh, for the return of Samuel Johnson, to wage eternal war against cant.
What Messerly seems to mean is, "Our propensity to believe in God and spirits must have been formed in us by evolution, since it is universal."
Which does not follow in the slightest. One could explain the universality of religion by supposing the supernatural realm to exist. If God is real, it would not be surprising that people in many cultures seem to have heard from Him. Messerly does not seem to have taken the first step to ruling this alternative out -- that first step being, it having even OCCURRED to this ambassador from the Land of the Brights. (The second step would be to phrase his argument coherently.)
"Today there are two basic explanations offered. One says that religion evolved by natural selection—religion is an adaptation that provides an evolutionary advantage. For example religion may have evolved to enhance social cohesion and cooperation—it may have helped groups survive. The other explanation claims that religious beliefs and practices arose as byproducts of other adaptive traits. For example, intelligence is an adaptation that aids survival. Yet it also forms causal narratives for natural occurrences and postulates the existence of other minds. Thus the idea of hidden Gods explaining natural events was born."
So Messerly does not so much rule out a third possibility -- that God exists and reveals Himself -- as he fails to recognize it even in thought. Or perhaps this is an example of the subtle social pressure I wrote about in The Truth Behind the New Atheism: "the two correspondents (Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett) appeal to the atavistic fear of being picked by the wrong team." (63) If theistic explanations are ruled out a priori, then those who hold to them are not doing real scholarship. Darwinian mechanisms may even click in, making the skepticism of elite scientists a self-fulfilling prophesy: if you engage in philosophy that appeals to, or credits in any way, ideas out of fashion among academic materialists, you are a gadfly, and must be voted out of Athens. (Many professors admit they would be willing to engage in job discrimination for ideological reasons.)
But are there other possible causes of religious belief that lie outside our evolved psyche? Of course there are. There are, for instance, Near Death Experiences. Whatever you think of them, they seem pretty universal. And they provide rational reasons for belief in human survival. Yet they are usually simply ignored in books explaining the origins of religion, such as those by Pascal Boyer.
And how about miracles? One common "rebuttal" to such work as Craig Keener's long catalogue of miracles around the world, seems to be, "Yeah, but don't 'miracles' happen in other religions, too?'"
Well if they do, wouldn't that also explain why humanity believes in God and spirits? So why don't scholars like Messerly mention those facts? Perhaps they have never heard of them.
If the "experts" have never heard of facts that have touched hundreds of millions of lives directly (Keener, again), what is their expertise worth, exactly?
"In addition to the biological basis for religious belief, there are environmental explanations. It is self-evident from the fact that religions are predominant in certain geographical areas but not others, that birthplace strongly influences religious belief. This suggests that people’s religious beliefs are, in large part, accidents of birth."
I just wrote a book showing why the so-called Outsider Test for Faith is an argument FOR Christianity, or rather four such arguments, not against it. Again, I suspect even though he teaches at a Jesuit college, Messerly doesn't have a clue about the facts I lay out in that book.
"Besides cultural influences there is the family; the best predictor of people’s religious beliefs in individuals is the religiosity of their parents. There are also social factors effecting religious belief. For example, a significant body of scientific evidence suggests that popular religion results from social dysfunction. Religion may be a coping mechanism for the stress caused by the lack of a good social safety net—hence the vast disparity between religious belief in Western Europe and the United States."
Which the Bible itself predicts. When times are tough, people come back to God. When times are easy, they forget Him. Messerly neglects to credit Jesus (Parable of the Seed) for this insight, however, as good scholars should do.
Is this an excuse? Since writing tom-fool articles on Salon is a behavior, one sometimes exhibiting beliefs, does Messerly wants us to think that the article we are presently reading is "explained" by "genes and environment?" I suppose it is, in a sense. For one thing, if he were from northern Sri Lanka, he might be writing in Tamil. And maybe he would be defending Buddhism, instead of attacking it.
But Messerly appears to think his own views are immune to the process by which he wants to explain away opposing views. (That's why it helps to describe those views as "religious," so the reader will be tricked into taking his critical eye off of the equally mortal Messerly's own theories. Or is he going to claim that he's a robot, and isn't affected by genetics or culture?)
"The near universal appeal of religious belief suggests a biological component to religious beliefs and practices, and science increasingly confirms this view. There is a scientific consensus that our brains have been subject to natural selection. So what survival and reproductive roles might religious beliefs and practices have played in our evolutionary history? What mechanisms caused the mind to evolve toward religious beliefs and practices?"
Messerly just wastes our time in this paragraph. Do we really need to prove that there is a "biological component to beliefs and practices?" Does anyone deny that Christians eat bread and drink wine in the Eucharist, and that those religious practices are partly biological? Oh, for the return of Samuel Johnson, to wage eternal war against cant.
What Messerly seems to mean is, "Our propensity to believe in God and spirits must have been formed in us by evolution, since it is universal."
Which does not follow in the slightest. One could explain the universality of religion by supposing the supernatural realm to exist. If God is real, it would not be surprising that people in many cultures seem to have heard from Him. Messerly does not seem to have taken the first step to ruling this alternative out -- that first step being, it having even OCCURRED to this ambassador from the Land of the Brights. (The second step would be to phrase his argument coherently.)
"Today there are two basic explanations offered. One says that religion evolved by natural selection—religion is an adaptation that provides an evolutionary advantage. For example religion may have evolved to enhance social cohesion and cooperation—it may have helped groups survive. The other explanation claims that religious beliefs and practices arose as byproducts of other adaptive traits. For example, intelligence is an adaptation that aids survival. Yet it also forms causal narratives for natural occurrences and postulates the existence of other minds. Thus the idea of hidden Gods explaining natural events was born."
So Messerly does not so much rule out a third possibility -- that God exists and reveals Himself -- as he fails to recognize it even in thought. Or perhaps this is an example of the subtle social pressure I wrote about in The Truth Behind the New Atheism: "the two correspondents (Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett) appeal to the atavistic fear of being picked by the wrong team." (63) If theistic explanations are ruled out a priori, then those who hold to them are not doing real scholarship. Darwinian mechanisms may even click in, making the skepticism of elite scientists a self-fulfilling prophesy: if you engage in philosophy that appeals to, or credits in any way, ideas out of fashion among academic materialists, you are a gadfly, and must be voted out of Athens. (Many professors admit they would be willing to engage in job discrimination for ideological reasons.)
But are there other possible causes of religious belief that lie outside our evolved psyche? Of course there are. There are, for instance, Near Death Experiences. Whatever you think of them, they seem pretty universal. And they provide rational reasons for belief in human survival. Yet they are usually simply ignored in books explaining the origins of religion, such as those by Pascal Boyer.
And how about miracles? One common "rebuttal" to such work as Craig Keener's long catalogue of miracles around the world, seems to be, "Yeah, but don't 'miracles' happen in other religions, too?'"
Well if they do, wouldn't that also explain why humanity believes in God and spirits? So why don't scholars like Messerly mention those facts? Perhaps they have never heard of them.
If the "experts" have never heard of facts that have touched hundreds of millions of lives directly (Keener, again), what is their expertise worth, exactly?
"In addition to the biological basis for religious belief, there are environmental explanations. It is self-evident from the fact that religions are predominant in certain geographical areas but not others, that birthplace strongly influences religious belief. This suggests that people’s religious beliefs are, in large part, accidents of birth."
I just wrote a book showing why the so-called Outsider Test for Faith is an argument FOR Christianity, or rather four such arguments, not against it. Again, I suspect even though he teaches at a Jesuit college, Messerly doesn't have a clue about the facts I lay out in that book.
"Besides cultural influences there is the family; the best predictor of people’s religious beliefs in individuals is the religiosity of their parents. There are also social factors effecting religious belief. For example, a significant body of scientific evidence suggests that popular religion results from social dysfunction. Religion may be a coping mechanism for the stress caused by the lack of a good social safety net—hence the vast disparity between religious belief in Western Europe and the United States."
Which the Bible itself predicts. When times are tough, people come back to God. When times are easy, they forget Him. Messerly neglects to credit Jesus (Parable of the Seed) for this insight, however, as good scholars should do.
The whole article from Salon was obnoxious to me. Not just because of what it argued, not just because of the sloppy reasoning and vulgar caricatures, but because it immediately sailed right into "alright, let's write off everyone who disagrees as stupid - and put all their arguments aside, so we can just psychoanalyze them."
ReplyDeleteOnce that card is played, it's right into the land of rhetoric. Reasoning has been left behind.
Agreed.
ReplyDeleteI hope you enjoyed your Christmas too (referring to comments on other site). I had a good time home for Christmas. One odd little outlier was a bizarre conversation with Randal Rauser. I think you know us both, so I'm wondering (if you feel like reading it) what you might make of this?
http://randalrauser.com/2014/12/is-citigroup-the-anti-christ-you-might-be-forgiven-for-thinking-so/#disqus_thread
David,
ReplyDeleteThis is JAS from the Newsweek blog we were on. Michael won't post my comments anymore probably because I was challenging him too much.
I did write back to your post that I appreciated your comments to me and that I was honored to get an apologist of your stature to write me. I also added that I would like to have a debate/discussion if you were willing to.
Let me know if we can pick up from the Newsweek blog and see where our discussion goes.
Thank you,
JAS
Can you link the conversation? I remember your tag, but not where the conversation was at. Christmas Crunch, and all.
ReplyDeleteGods and religions are products of language and cannot exist without the use of language. Languages are inventions and, therefore, artificial, unnatural and unreal. Everything created by or through the use of language must likewise be artificial, unnatural and unreal. Gods and religions are artificial, unnatural and unreal.
ReplyDeleteAgnostica: How do you know these things?
ReplyDeleteI wrote an essay in response to the linked article which might be of interest, although about the afterlife rather than "God" (I'm working on the latter):
ReplyDeletehttp://ian-wardell.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/science-afterlife-and-intelligentsia.html